Curse

Davros Uitar · Mar 13, 2010, 11:32 AM // 11:32

It really amazes me that there are people that think decisions should never have consequences. The "I can't tell right from wrong so I should always be let off" crew need to man up. Anet had a problem with people sidestepping bosses to kill Mallyx. They fixed it. They had an earlier problem with people side stepping killing the 4 bosses with Duncan. They fixed that as well. What part of the human psyche fails to see that this new exploit that evaded killing 4 bosses would have consequences? Greed and to a smaller extent the challenge of epeen (ie knowing you can do a thing even when logic tells you it is not a thing you ought to be doing).

It is unlikely that a lot (enough) banhammers will get dropped in my view, but that is Anet's call. The QQers that defend the guilty are defending the indefensible. Logic won't sway them from their chosen position.

Gill Halendt · Mar 13, 2010, 01:00 PM // 13:00

Ignorantia juris non excusat.

Are people SO dumb they can't tell such a thing it's a bug by themselves?

Amy Awien · Mar 13, 2010, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

I never stated it was listed anywhere else EVER.

Really? You said it was listed as bug:

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

...The Slaver Exile portal thing is listed as a bug.

The update notes came after they fixed the bug, so it's rather pointless to refer to them as the place where the bug was listed in relation to the eula, one couldn't have read something that wasn't written yet.

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Talk to ANET about when a bug is not a bug. My opinion never came into it.

I have no issue with it being seen as a bug, never claimed anything in that direction. What I have an issue with is you 'lecturing' about the obviousness of bugs, once they've been listed as such. The game is riddled with bugs and quircks that are never addressed and which ones are or are not considered abuse is at our own guess.

I asked you, and I ask again, where do you draw the line? You are the one who was lecturing, now tell your class.

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Still waiting on this accepted portal jumping stuff...

There's a 'portal jumping project' on the unofficial wiki trying to list all the jumps + exploration opportunities.

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Are people SO dumb they can't tell such a thing it's a bug by themselves?

You're using a warrior avatar, you've never hit stuff on - and through - a bridge above you? Or whacked on the guards in their towers in Riverside Provence?

You're not talking about what is a bug or not, but about what may or may not be considered abuse.

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Originally Posted by Arduin

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MagmaRed · Mar 13, 2010, 02:38 PM // 14:38

This thread makes me lose hope for humanity. Stupidity should exist, it allows us to laugh and learn. However, stupidity should not exist in such a grand scale.

Thank you Anet for fixing things. I hope more monster bars get looked into. I still laugh at Divert Hexes being on a boss only accessible through Wurms and can't be hexed.

Morphy · Mar 13, 2010, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

This thread makes me lose hope for humanity. Stupidity should exist, it allows us to laugh and learn. However, stupidity should not exist in such a grand scale.

Then you should leave this forum, to be honest.

chessyang · Mar 13, 2010, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Morphy

Then you should leave this forum, to be honest.

or know there a RL out side of guru fourms (or the internetz)

Morphy · Mar 13, 2010, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by chessyang

or know there a RL out side of guru fourms (or the internetz)

That'll probably work as well.

JimmyNeutron · Mar 13, 2010, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by impulsion

QFT.

Also, James got banned for this so stop QQ well done.

How long was his banned? If one week or less for over 100 Duncan runs, no big deal since he made a fortune from farming Duncan.

Just don't sell the Deld Armor Remnants for 10-15K. Waste in my opinion since con cost is about 8K+any personal cons use.

impulsion · Mar 13, 2010, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron

How long was his banned? If one week or less for over 100 Duncan runs, no big deal since he made a fortune from farming Duncan.

Just don't sell the Deld Armor Remnants for 10-15K. Waste in my opinion since con cost is about 8K+any personal cons use.

Perma-ban, and by fortune you mean like 15-20 runs...

JimmyNeutron · Mar 13, 2010, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by impulsion

Perma-ban, and by fortune you mean like 15-20 runs...

Ouch and my email from ANET was an early April fool joke too. Guess they really did banned people.

Back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure w/ Butter

UPDATE
Ban Hammer rolling out slowly. 3 people I know just got banned today along with one of my friend confirmed through cell phone and my friend didn't even do Duncan. He was using portal jumping for cart title. Guess if you use it for cart, its a perma ban also.

Oh well, look at the bright side...less lag due to less people

AngelWJedi · Mar 13, 2010, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron

Ouch and my email from ANET was an early April fool joke too. Guess they really did banned people.

Back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure w/ Butter

UPDATE
Ban Hammer rolling out slowly. 3 people I know just got banned today along with one of my friend confirmed through cell phone and my friend didn't even do Duncan. He was using portal jumping for cart title. Guess if you use it for cart, its a perma ban also.

Oh well, look at the bright side...less lag due to less people

now did he really get banned for the portal jump for cart title or did he do the ducan bug too? i know peeps who used it for the cart title many times and didnt get banned. so i find this hard to believe.

Reformed · Mar 13, 2010, 09:25 PM // 21:25

You can trace back portal jumping's roots to sometime in 2007 with the original portal jump using Death's Charge on the aggroed shrine merchant outside Eredon Terrace. I would say it's a pretty safe bet most if not everyone who has ever worked on Canthan Cartographer since has done this...the ban list would be epic. That's why I don't believe for a minute harmless carto-jumps are going to land you a permaban.

MisterB · Mar 13, 2010, 09:33 PM // 21:33

I have a feeling that bans, if they occur, will look at which portals were jumped, and/or the frequency of portal jumps. In other words, I don't believe the cartography only story.

esthetic · Mar 13, 2010, 09:55 PM // 21:55

LOL! Stopped playing over a year ago just like to stop in and read the funny crap.

GW and it seems ANet is full of tattle tales, hall monitors, Mall cops and fansite mods ha ha ha! wow glad i got out of this game.

Banning people for using tele to get to a boss? I can see fixing it but banning them? reallY?

Skyy High · Mar 13, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by esthetic

Banning people for using tele to get to a boss? I can see fixing it but banning them? reallY?

Uh, yeah. Really. Are you surprised people got banned for duping? Or, a more appropriate exploit: the glitch that let people teleport to the secret dev outpost and farm Mallyx over and over repeatedly? That's pretty much the same thing, actually: a boss exists, you're supposed to have to complete 4 tasks before facing said boss, and after you kill him you're supposed to do them again in order to be able to kill him again. Finding a glitch does not give you the right to exploit it until they fix it, period. It's not like this exact same conversation hasn't played out many times before in GW's history, so it's not like these people can play the ignorance card; they knew what they were supposed to do to get to the boss, and they purposefully found and exploited a way around the requirement, over and over again.

MisterB · Mar 13, 2010, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Uh, yeah. Really. Are you surprised people got banned for duping? Or, a more appropriate exploit: the glitch that let people teleport to the secret dev outpost and farm Mallyx over and over repeatedly? That's pretty much the same thing, actually: a boss exists, you're supposed to have to complete 4 tasks before facing said boss, and after you kill him you're supposed to do them again in order to be able to kill him again. Finding a glitch does not give you the right to exploit it until they fix it, period. It's not like this exact same conversation hasn't played out many times before in GW's history, so it's not like these people can play the ignorance card; they knew what they were supposed to do to get to the boss, and they purposefully found and exploited a way around the requirement, over and over again.

Please explain the difference between this exploit and the original method players used to bypass the 4 bosses to fight Duncan over and over for months. Right, they used a game mechanic to bypass a barrier, but tons of people farmed Slaver's chests before, and they were not banned.

Axel Zinfandel · Mar 13, 2010, 10:39 PM // 22:39

This is depressing. So instead of fixing it they ban people for exploiting it?

Ok, so yes, technically it's within their right to ban people, but just like... I donno say Cash for Gold things are within their right too. Just because it's within their right doesn't make them any less of dicks for doing it. Personally, They should point that finger right back at themselves, because they're the one who created the bug in the first place.

People are not wrong for doing something that the game itself allows, even if it's an exploit. I mean, If I were bold and stupid enough to stretch the facts, technically SF was a game breaking exploit using skills that made you near invincible, therefor everyone who used it should be banned. I mean, to your average player, the instances aren't that much different. SF is a skill combination that lets you avoid most damage, and this is a skill combination that just so happens to get you past stuff you normally can't get past. No one is actually going to sit there and think "Well I don't know if the devs meant for this to happen so I probably shouldn't." Just like no one sits there with SF and thinks that. It's a double standard, with the only thing separating them being "intentions"

I realize it's in their codes of conduct or something, but that still doesn't make it right. It's their mistake, so it should be on them. It's a pretty weird thing for the players themselves to have to decipher. Now if Anet came out and said "Doing this will get you banned", then I could see. "exploiting the game" is a pretty general term.

GW is dieing as it is, and banning a bunchload of people for "exploiting" the game certainly isn't going to help the player base

Reformed · Mar 13, 2010, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Please explain the difference between this exploit and the original method players used to bypass the 4 bosses to fight Duncan over and over for months. Right, they used a game mechanic to bypass a barrier, but tons of people farmed Slaver's chests before, and they were not banned.

It wasn't the same mechanic at all. You didn't even have to deliberately go in with a runner, just have someone in the group on a courtesy section repeat to fill a slot and...wait...why is this door open?

EotN was released on 8/31/07 while the quest was patched 9/17/07, not months. That bug was so obvious to anyone far enough for Slavers the ban list would be massive.

MisterB · Mar 13, 2010, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Reformed

It wasn't the same mechanic at all. You didn't even have to deliberately go in with a runner, just have someone in the group on a courtesy section repeat to fill a slot and...wait...why is this door open?

EotN was released on 8/31/07 while the quest was patched 9/17/07, not months. That bug was so obvious to anyone far enough for Slavers the ban list would be massive.

OK, so it was weeks, then. I never did either one. It was not the same mechanic, but the result is pretty similar. You bypass the barrier using either method. Portal jumping is more clearly a bug, but many more people (ab)used the quest glitch.

It's pretty obvious that bypassing the door with this method is an exploit to me, but I am somewhat puzzled that it's being handled more harshly this time. It's ANet's call, of course.

Abedeus · Mar 13, 2010, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Please explain the difference between this exploit and the original method players used to bypass the 4 bosses to fight Duncan over and over for months. Right, they used a game mechanic to bypass a barrier, but tons of people farmed Slaver's chests before, and they were not banned.

They used a bug. And exploited it to hell and back.

Few pages ago, someone wrote something like this:

"User may not abuse or spread informations about any bugs or exploits in-game or out of it. Report such problems using support tickets".

Abusing a bug? Check. Spreading information about the bug? Check. NOT reporting it? Check.